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  God & universe #1 - God's position and authority

  by Anders Andersen in

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  2. beliefs

  while thinking about the nature of god, i suddenly thought of something else: how jw speak about god in relation to the universe.. they say that.

  jehovah created the universe.

  destroying satan and answering the questions that were raised in eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.. .

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  Rather Be the Hammer

  Also, If God is (around the earth) in the universe, what with all the satellites and space debris?
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  God & universe #1 - God's position and authority

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while thinking about the nature of god, i suddenly thought of something else: how jw speak about god in relation to the universe.. they say that.

  jehovah created the universe.

  destroying satan and answering the questions that were raised in eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.. .

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  Rather Be the Hammer

  It may be a little beside your exact question, but I had a little discussion about something like this with my husband a few days ago.

  He read this:

  Does God Live in a Specific Location?

  The Bible’s answer

  Yes. God lives in a specific place—the heavens. Consider these Bible passages:

  In a prayer, King Solomon said: “May you yourself listen from the heavens, your established place of dwelling.”—1 Kings 8:43.

  Jesus Christ taught his disciples to address their prayers to their “Father in the heavens.”—Matthew 6:9.

  After Jesus was resurrected, he entered “into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God.”—Hebrews 9:24.

  Those verses clearly indicate that Jehovah God is a real person and that he dwells, not everywhere, but only in heaven.

  My understanding is, that 'heaven' can mean: spiritual place. Or: invisible.

  So 'god and angels are in heaven' then would mean 'they are not material beings, but ghostlike spirits and/or invisible'. Like how JW understand the Bibleverse about 'new heavens and new earth"; it doesn't mean a real 'new heaven' and a literally 'new earth'. When Jesus went to heaven, he became invisible for people.

  So my husband said: no, you're wrong, God lives in one place, that's what the Bible says.(well that's what he read on jw.org, he doesn't really know what the Bible says.)

  But if God does live in a specific location, that must be a place. A place you can point at. A place you can find somewhere. A place you can travel to. Otherwise it's not a place, right?

  If 'heaven' means a place you can point at, would that be that something like the sky? (yes, he said) But the sky, where? The sky above Europe? The sky above Australia?

  No, my husband said. God is in the universe.

  So the 'one place' is now 'the universe'. (And like you wrote; if God is IN the universe he created, that would be weird. Where did he live before?)

  But If god is all around the earth (and not just in one place in the heaven/sky), and in the universe, that would mean he is everywhere, aka omnipresent. Something JW deny.

  So I think they painted themselves in a corner.
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  Met the new CO (correction officer) this week

  by truth doubter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just want to share my take on the new circuit overseers visit.

  first impression, he's a control freak.

  he got up several times to correct the servants on lights, sound and speaker stand positioning.

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  Rather Be the Hammer

  Sounds like the exact things 'our' CO spoke about. No higher Education. And everything in this world is an illusion.
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  Quality of JW teaching from elders

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  there was a recent thread on the "quality" of converts to jws in recent years.

  it wasn't a pretty picture, based on the thread contents.. well, the lack of depth isn't restricted to new converts.. in our clam this week, one of the principal points for review was this:.

  ne 1:1; 2:1—why can we conclude that “the 20thyear” mentioned at nehemiah 1:1 and 2:1 is countedfrom the same starting point?

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  Rather Be the Hammer

  @Doctor Who

  Timey Wimey stuff... Weeping Angels! Best episode ever. 👍🏻
  
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  Quality of JW teaching from elders

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there was a recent thread on the "quality" of converts to jws in recent years.

  it wasn't a pretty picture, based on the thread contents.. well, the lack of depth isn't restricted to new converts.. in our clam this week, one of the principal points for review was this:.

  ne 1:1; 2:1—why can we conclude that “the 20thyear” mentioned at nehemiah 1:1 and 2:1 is countedfrom the same starting point?

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  Rather Be the Hammer

  We have the CO visiting this week. his talk was about Illusions and how illusionists and the devil act to deceive people. (After one minute or so I realised that he was telling true things if you filled in WTS instead of 'devil'. Create an illusion of truth. Distract people to make the 'impossible' happen when they not look your way. False messages. Big show. Make people believe your story)

  Anyway he ended his talk by telling us about Houdini. How everytime he escaped out of being trapped in diffucult positions. Even once he was handcuffed and put in a chest and then burried.

  and you know, thats what will happen in he end with the devil. He will be captivated and put in a chest and be buried (rev. 20:2,3).

  😳 and then what? Escape like Houdini?
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  Perfection

  by purplesofa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was talking to a friend of mine about perfection last night.. he made a comment that there was no way to have perfection, unless you made one thing and set that as perfect.

  everything after that would be a copy and otherwise would always in some way fall short of perfect, the original creation.

  we were talking about art.. and then he made a comment that god did not create us perfectly.

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  Rather Be the Hammer

  I was thinking about perfection too.

  JW always say: Adam and Eve were perfect and yet the were mislead by the Devil.

  after that they were no longer perfect.

  Were the no longer perfect because they made one mistake? What does perfection mean then?

  Or was becoming imperfect the punishment for being mislead?

  In my opinion, someone who is decieved or mislead, is not guilty, (okay, maybe of being stupid), So why punish them at all?

  And then there's the future. JW will grow towards perfection, in 1000 years time. Of course at the end the devil will be around again, and we already know (now!) that thousands of perfect JW in paradise will follow the devil when he will be free again.

  So what's the point of being perfect? Will you never make a mistake or a wrong decision anymore? No. You're perfect until you're not perfect anymore.

  I don't see the advantage at all.
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  FEB 2016 broadcast

  by Grey Goose in

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  it might be the craziest one yet..

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  Rather Be the Hammer

  I just watched the beginning of this video. To me it looks like they are talking their way out of the abuse-case: whatever severe, gross and awful sin ... (Like hiding abuse, lying in court) It can be forgiven. Jehovah will not discard people who do that. 1-0 for the FDS.

  But talking against Jehovah's spirit (read: being against his witnesses? Or having a lawsuit against them?) will never be forgiven. 2-0 for FDS 🙄

  I think it's weird, until now the 'sin against the spirit' was something unknown, right? It was something quite blurry and vague. (Or at least it was until 2004 when I quit trying to understand the JW stuff.) How convenient that they now know the specifics of this sin against the spirit.
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  I am SO tempted ! to join the FSM Church !

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the netherlands has recognized the church of the flying spagetti monster as an official religion !!.

  i am so tempted to join it openly, and see what the reaction of the jw's is, surely they should df me for joining another religion?.

  but how silly would that make them look !

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  Rather Be the Hammer

  I read the news too! I will never join another religion/cult but i do like FSM. Because they show how stupid religion is. My daughter wanted to join them at once, too. 😄
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  Seriously....We have to start attacking this cult!!! Enough is enough!!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i propose that we make pintrest accounts and start openly challenging this crap.. .

  seriously.... any suggestions?

  this crap cannot be left unchallenged.

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  Rather Be the Hammer

  Oh that's funny. I said to my still-in husband that maybe the next step would be a WT playstation game. This comes close. :-)
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Rather Be the Hammer

  The question 'where else would we go' was not about a religion. That's a mistake a lot of JW make. It's what the Borg wants you to believe, that this question is about 'true' or 'false' religion.

  But: The disciples asked where would the go if they were not with JESUS.

  So if you feel there must be someone you want to stay with, (because 'it says so in the Bible') it's Jesus. not a religion. Or a cult.